Love him or hate him

Gov. Scott Walker inspires deep disagreement — even in how people assess his character

Gov. Scott Walker has become a national political figure — a hero to some, a demon to others. But no one doubts his passion or resolve. Lukas Keapproth/Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism

About this Series

Gov. Scott Walker: Uniter, Divider
A three-part series produced by the Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism

Day One: Love him or hate him: Walker’s character. Sunday, Jan. 8.
Day Two: Core beliefs: How Walker governs. Monday, Jan. 9.
Day Three: Man on a mission: What drives Walker. Tuesday, Jan. 10.
Click to watch our full interview with Gov. Scott Walker

Part one of a three-part series
By Bill Lueders
Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism

Glenn Grothman is a true believer in conservative causes, but never more ardently than when it comes to the state’s most controversial political figure: Republican Gov. Scott Walker.

“Scott Walker is a rare politician who doesn’t try to make everybody happy with other people’s money,” says Grothman, a Republican state senator from West Bend. “He’s the best governor of my lifetime. He’s the least ‘politician-y.’ He’s able to say no to people.”

Grothman lauds the governor’s attributes: his political courage, his willingness to invite controversy, his pursuit of fundamental changes in state policy.

Curiously, these are mirror images of what Walker’s detractors decry as flaws: his stubbornness, his refusal to compromise despite profound opposition, his divisive agenda.

These qualities have made Walker, 44, a national political figure — a hero to some, a demon to others. But no one doubts his passion or resolve.

Even after other GOP governors who’ve taken on public employee unions have distanced themselves from what Walker has done (“I love collective bargaining,” declared New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie this spring) or been rebuffed (Ohio voters overwhelmingly repealed Gov. John Kasich’s rollback of union power), Walker is holding firm.

Walker’s supporters and foes agree that he is not like most other politicians. The first governor in Wisconsin history to face a recall attempt is bolder, more focused, less cowed by criticism. Where they disagree is over whether this is a virtue or a vice.

Orville Seymer calls Walker a leader with a strong following. “They’ll follow him into battle. I would go into battle with him.” Courtesy of Orville Seymer

“He’s not afraid of controversy, when a lot of politicians just are,” says Orville Seymer of Citizens for Responsible Government, which ran the recall effort that led to Walker’s election as Milwaukee County executive. “He’s a strong leader. He’s got a strong following, more so than (Democrat) Jim Doyle or (Republican) Tommy Thompson. They’ll follow him into battle. I would go into battle with him.”

State Sen. Jon Erpenbach, D-Middleton, one of Walker’s sharpest critics and a potential challenger should a recall election be held, accuses the governor of needlessly sowing division among Wisconsin residents.

“In order to get what he wants, he has made the state this giant coliseum and has deliberately put one side against another. It’s the most irresponsible thing I’ve seen since I got here,” says Erpenbach, first elected to the Senate in 1998.

Walker, in a recent interview at the Executive Residence, acknowledges having made mistakes in pursuing his agenda, but insists he’s made necessary reforms.

“I was elected to fix the budget,” Walker says. “I was elected to get the state working in the right direction.”

States vs. unions: Key battlegrounds

A nice guy

Both Walker’s friends and his foes are awed at his capacity to withstand negative reaction.

Here is a governor who can’t go to either his Wauwatosa home or the Executive Residence in Maple Bluff without seeing an array of “Recall Walker” yard signs. Yet he shrugs it off, telling the story of how, moments after a passing motorist extended a middle finger, another drove by giving a thumbs-up sign.

It’s clear Walker is able to choose which reaction matters most.

Though he’s often accused of being on-message to a fault, Walker is willing to take tough questions from the media and members of the public. He believes in his ability to explain himself and to make a good impression.

Walker concedes that elections are popularity contests but says, “I’m less interested in popularity, more interested in respect.” He thinks he deserves it: “I can be polite and still be stern. I can be agreeable and yet still stick up for the values I think are imperative to push on.”

Watch the full interview: Gov. Scott Walker, Dec. 23, 2011 from WisconsinWatch on Vimeo.

Patricia Walker, the governor’s mother, praises his resolve, saying he’s always stood up for what he believes. “He’s a very upright person, very honest. He likes people. He’s very concerned about people. He’s always had good character.”

Even Walker’s detractors acknowledge that he can be personally charming.

State Sen. Jon Erpenbach, D-Middleton, says Walker “has made the state this giant coliseum and has deliberately put one side against another.” John Hart/Wisconsin State Journal

“He’s a nice guy, no doubt about that,” says Erpenbach, who then pegs the governor as uncaring about the consequences of his political agenda. He thinks Walker has largely followed through on his campaign pledge to run the state like a CEO — concerned about dollars and cents, not human beings.

“There is a certain lack of compassion that I see out of the East Wing right now,” Erpenbach says.

Walker’s fans think that’s a bunch of hooey.

Brian Fraley of the conservative MacIver Institute, a Madison-based think tank, tells of how Walker, then Milwaukee County executive, came to his father’s funeral in 2004 and a subsequent memorial service for his dad and other veterans.

“Scott did this without fanfare and without political motive,” marvels Fraley, who at that time was working out of state. “I wasn’t a major donor or a politically connected community leader. I was merely a friend he’d known for about a dozen years who had just lost his father.”

Fraley sees this as a testament to Walker’s good character.

“He’s humble,” Fraley says. “He’s a man of faith, but he doesn’t wear it on his sleeve. He’s nonjudgmental and doesn’t hold anger or grudges. He was raised right, and in my interactions with him over the years, his true character is the antithesis of the cold-hearted, aloof caricature created by the liberal special-interest groups whom he’s enraged.”

Filling in the blanks

Walker’s problem, Fraley says, is that the people of Wisconsin, including his Democratic opponents, don’t really know him.

When elected, he was “still basically a blank slate” to most state residents. His campaign focused on jobs and the economy. Other than his professed brown-bag frugality — which Fraley considers corny but on the mark — he didn’t tell much about himself.

So when “all hell broke loose” after Walker moved to curb public employees’ ability to engage in collective bargaining, Fraley says this created “fertile ground for the left” to fill in the blanks with negatives.

Walker’s opponents, it’s true, have found plenty of negatives.

State Sen. Chris Larson, D-Milwaukee, who served on the Milwaukee County Board from 2008 to 2010, overlapping Walker’s stint as county executive, notes Walker’s skill at framing both sides of an argument in a way that affirms the correctness of his own position. For instance, that the state either had to cut benefits and curtail collective bargaining or else impose massive layoffs.

“It’s either this or that — no other options,” says Larson, who sees this as a recurring theme in Walker’s pronouncements.

For Larson, the most telling moment of Walker’s infamous Feb. 22 call with a blogger pretending to be billionaire David Koch came when the governor admitted having “thought about” planting troublemakers among protesters. This option was rejected — but not, Larson notes, because it would have put law enforcement officers and others at risk. Rather, Walker told the caller, “My only fear (is) that it would scare the public into thinking maybe the governor has gotta settle to avoid all these problems.”

“It gives you great insight into where his mind is at,” Larson says. “Compromise is so unpalatable to him that it was the only thing that kept him from hurting people.”

Walker, while chagrined by this call, makes no apologies for taking an uncompromising approach to achieving his goals. He tells of his experience in Milwaukee County, where he beat the odds to get elected and twice won reelection. It taught him the burdens and rewards of leadership.

“I think, at least in that county, what people wanted was a leader who was going to take risks, who was going to try to get through the problems and try and fix things,” Walker says. “The board would beat up on me, the media would beat up on me, sometimes, and I’d get protesters there, although not as many as there are now.

“But, in the end, I was trying to do what I thought was in the best interest of improving my county. And thankfully, enough people in the electorate saw fit to agree with me, and that is the same approach I take now.”

Next: How Scott Walker governs.

Bill Lueders is the Money and Politics Project director at the Wisconsin Center for Investigative
Journalism. The project, a partnership of the Center and MapLight, is supported by the Open
Society Institute
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7 Responses to “Love him or hate him”

  1. timbo says:

    Nice job, Bill. If you have a chance, nobody has ever asked him why he really let Green have the 2006 nomination, or how he feels about that now. If he is so principle-minded, why give it up for Green?

  2. Andy Hall says:

    Gayle, thanks for your question. Funding for this series was drawn from the Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism’s existing resources — the series wasn’t commissioned. The Center’s Policy on Financial Support requires that the nonpartisan Center’s news coverage be independent of donors and that all providers of revenue be publicly identified. As you know from reading the series, it was reported by staff member Bill Lueders, director of the Money and Politics Project, a partnership of the Center and nonpartisan MapLight. The partnership is supported by the Open Society Institute. To protect the integrity of its journalism, the Center voluntarily discloses all of its sources of revenue, at: http://www.wisconsinwatch.org/about/funding/
    –Andy Hall, executive director

  3. Gayle says:

    Was this a commissioned report? If so, who commissioned it?

  4. bdowns says:

    The vast majority of those supporting the recall effort are driven by their hate for the Republican party and this is the divisiveness that has been created, not the Governor’s programs. I read on nearly a daily basis letters to the editor in my local newspaper and every letter cites actions by the governor that are either “union busting” or border on being illegal. The only problem with these claims is there is no verifiable evidence to them and no way to confirm that there is a direct link between the governor’s actions and the numbers/statistics they cite. There are commercials being run all over the state that claim the governor is directly responsible for the demise of many of the schools throughout the state. Yet, in the 20+ years that I have lived in Stevens Point there have been countless referendums before voters to increase the budget by the school board and not once have the teachers, or their union ever stepped forward to take a reduction in wages/benefits to help the school board balance the budget. This may be due in part because the school board is made up of former educators who are members of the union themselves and are in the hip pocket of the union. It is hypocritical for these Walker detractors to suggest that he is totally responsible for the condition of schools in the state when the governor’s programs have not been in place for and entire year yet. These are the same people who claim that the things they are doing is for the benefit of the children of Wisconsin, yet they are unwilling to make even a perfunctory effort to balance the school budgets. They have stood defiantly against the very school boards the claim to support and would rather see teachers laid off, or schools closed than take a reduction in pay, or benefits. It has been this single change to the state’s unions that has generated all the hate towards the governor and all the other fabricated claims by the recall effort are just distraction from their real goal, the removal of the Republican governor in order to elect a Democrat who will pander to the demands of the unions.

    • bremdog says:

      bdowns – you’ve obviously never sat in on a negotiations session. So many people do not understand the idea of total package settlement, which means they never understood the years teachers lost ground to other professionals during the many QEO years. I hear you complain that teachers did not volunteer pay freezes or cuts to help schools, but no mention that CEO’s didn’t forego huge bonuses to help the banking industry. Teachers and their unions have been made the target of the GOP so that uninformed talking pointers like yourself have somthing to hate and to fear and to ultimately vote against. The total package settlement was an agreement betweeen school boards and local unions for compensation. The media reports it as a percent raise. Many years, my percent raise was reported to taxpayers, but the net result was that it maintained health and retirement benefits with a net loss in salary. That is how it works – to say these union members never took a cut is misleading. They did, in an interest of maintaining health and retirement benefits that so many of you covet. Those benefits are being paid by the union members instead of salary.

    • brewcrew06 says:

      BD you are really missing the point of the recall. Walker never campaigned on getting rid of collective bargaining. Major bait and switch. If he would have then there wouldn’t be a recall effort ( he also NEVER would of been elected).

      As a teacher our district has taken a pay freeze for 4 straight years and our union also switched insurances to help the district save money and jobs. This last year we also voluntarily paid into out pension and health care to help with our district.

      The devistating effects of the budget repair bill will not be felt for about another 2-3 years. At this point the effects are going to be brutal, but I’m sure by then the Republicans will have something else to blame it on.

      Also, where are all the jobs that Walker has created? Since he has been in office he has promised 250,000 jobs in the next 4 years. Corp. have been given 100+ million in tax breaks. What do we have to show for it? 5 straight months of job loses. Last month Illinois ranked 1st in job creation (created 30,000 jobs) while wiscoonsin was 50th in job creation (loss of 9,000 jobs) So much for Wisconsin being open for busniness! Wake up BD, Walker is destroying the middle class is Wisconsin. RECALL WALKER!

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